Hey there, needless to say, I'm feeling more confident now, so I can spare quality time again for the project. While absent, I did managed to work on building several databases that will prove important for my planned work, specially concerning textures and new HUD animations. By working a little every now and then, I've achieved quite a large quanity of various kinds of new patchs and flats, 99% completely free of any kind of legal problems, since almost all of them uses parts os real photos as bases. But right now I wanted to announce I have finished a somewhat incomplete version of a basic sloping tutorial I thought could be done, to highlight one of Vavoom's most useful features. I thought I would finish much faster, but I got a little carried away with the drawings I wanted to include in the text, and it took much more work... Still, the tutorial is completed in the major areas (specially the conceptual description, as I told everything I know), but I think it needs more attention to detail, more step-by-step examples and a more beginner friendly environment. I'm putting this here to see if you guys aprove and if you happen to know things I could add or things that need correction or improvement. Put in mind that this still needs work, and even the speech isn't 100% in itself. And of course, this isn't from a guru, just a beginner trying to help guys at worst condition. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> The text is in my folder, in the Slopes directory.

Hey looked into it, looks real professional. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> However, I don't have M$ Weird so I guess that's why some of the content was not formatted the way it was intended in the original document (OpenOffice's conversion is very good but not 100%). Could you (and everyone else using M$ Orifice) export documents into PDF? It's better for long-time archiving anyway. The below PDF exporter is free and fully functional. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pdfcreator/PDFCreator-0_8_0_GNUGhostscript.exe?download">http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pdfc ... e?download</a><!-- m -->

Yeah, sure. I'll just use the PDF exporter on OpenOffice.

Hey Mago! great stuff, I might try the things it says to make some sloping myself! Really nice, I don't see the problem to call it a beta, but I think the final version will be cool!! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> EDIT: BTW Mago, did you use Autocad or something like that to make the slopes in some of your images? I can recognize it, because when I took technical drawing I used it, heh! But I really don't remember a thing, heh! Nice program Ramborc! my brother is going to like it a lot, as he is always wanting to do manuals and stuff for his programs and he didn't knew how to make them PDF, heh! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

?Heheh, yes I did the drawings in my college, using AutoCad. It's actually a pretty easy drawing tool once you get to know it. I then filled and add letters using PSP4, like always. The Beta status means it is close to be complete, but could use a revision on content and specially speech, as I wrotte in one sitting and there could be errors in my english. Also, I'm waiting for Janis' annalisys, as there could be errors on my "technical" explanations. If everything is alright, I'll just add references to certain procedures that are referred in the tutorial but not explained (like creating child sectors or what is a tag - just take description from known manuals), and probably add a complete step bu step way to create slopes using both methods, the normal one and the vertex one. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Oh yes, about the Word format - no problem, once the text is over, I'll convert it to pdf, thanks for the link. It's in word because the tutorial is meant to be placed on Vavoom's wiki page and should be easy enough to copy and paste the info for a possible html page.

You can copy+paste PDF pages just as well, even better these days.

And it even reduces the size of the files! I had a 4mb Weird document and in PDF format it's just 428kb, amazing! <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

M$ Weird = bullshit M$ Orifice = bullshit M$ Winblows = bullshit M$ [anything] = bullshit I wonder why people are paying money for being screwed? <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

Well, I think it's because the format compatibility, heh! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

So people buy it because other people buy it.

It's no secret: you only get to know pcs and software in general after you buy one for yourself. When you buy a new pc, what is the OS that comes by default - Windows. They have contracts all over the world, every one buys their products like if the machines couldn't exist without their OS. So for all those families out there who doesn't know anything nor do they care, Windows is all they need, it's more confortable, and I'm pretty sure many are even afraid to change (afraid they won't have compatibilities, new products, etc). I'm sure the mass would just as well use and believe in Linux or other OS if they were the standard, the most powerful. Let's face it, people are attracted to power - no one buys pizza from that lame restaurant next door, they phone pizza Hut or some other multi-national because we figure if they sell all over the world, they are the quality standard... I would love to get rid of all Microsoft software I have installed in my pc, they are the same from when I bought it in 97, but untill I find someone with the know how, and the money to get some alternative software, I'm just stuck, like a lot of people I guess... <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: -->

So what you're saying essentially is that you're all just dumb sheep, licking the footsoles of those shitheads in power, right? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> (LOL don't take it too seriously <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->)

Rambo what OS are you running <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> . And While this PC may be Microsoft orientated, my second PC is my Linux rig which I'll start using again when I can sort this bloody network out.

Winblows 1900 now because I've got rid of my other computers. Linux wouldn't be much of a solution right now because I've got some apps that don't exist for it (like MacroMedia Studio MX 2004). OTOH all the webservers I've managed these last couple of years have all been Linux-based, indeed Linux as an OS does penetrate my consciousness more than that of many people who have Linux installed on a home computer (but only brag about it and never use it, or if yes than only for GUI-based apps that exist for Winblows all the same). When I need to use the Winblows command line, I'm typing non-existing commands all the time and I put slashes even when using the Winblows GUI. I'm also nearly always using filenames that have no spaces in them (replaced by underscores) and no international signs, nor any of the special Unix command characters... and I always consciously differentiate between lower and upper case letters (most people don't even know that in Winblows you can also set things the way that it always displays exactly the filename in right case and not a capitalized generalized crap it does by default). You have no idea how many probs and incompatibilities you can solve this way even in Winblows.

[quote="RambOrc":244805ko]So what you're saying essentially is that you're all just dumb sheep, licking the footsoles of those shitheads in power, right? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> (LOL don't take it too seriously <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->) But that's EXACTLY what I was saying! You nailed it! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

I checked the doc and it logs OK. But you are missing another way of sloping - with ZDoom's sloping line special. On the other subject - at work I must use Windblows, but home I use Linux and boot Windblows only to run some apps that doesn't run with Wine

Hmmm... The truth is that I don't know how it works? Any info on this one? Is this the same as in the zdoom's page tutorial?

Yes, it works exactly as in ZDoom.